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« Reply #105 on: December 29, 2008, 09:37:15 PM »

Just wrote again to complain, sigh, the noise is driving me nuts. Especially nowadays when I'm clearing my leaves, I can't even nap or watch my DVD in peace. It is either the sound of the excavator, the metal cutting sound, knocking sound, or some high pitch blowing sound...... ARGH

I thought I can get used to it, but don't think I ever will.....

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Dear Prime Minister & Ministers,
 
I've written multiple times to NEA and also to a few ministers regarding the noise pollution from the construction site.
 
Here is a short summary:
 
1) Wrote to Punggol and Sengkang Town council on 7th Sep 2008 and gotten a reply from NEA on 19th Sep 2008
 
Jumain SUAIP from NEA assured me that they have sent people to inspect the site and informed the contractor not to carry out noisy construction at night or during the weekend. Furthermore, I was also told that they have installed a device at the construction site to gather the noise level and will monitor the situation.
 
Either the NEA was seriously mistaken about visiting the site or the contractor did not understand them well enough, the construction seems to go on regardless of either day or night, weekday, weekend and even public holiday. It can start as early as 7.30am and even last till 11.30pm on some days.
 
Can you imagine the noise outside was louder then my party session during Christmas day?
 
During normal days, I have to blast my TV just to even hear what was being shown.
 
2) Wrote again to the following ministers and NEA on 1st Nov 2008, but then was totally ignored. I was led to believe that the ministers wanted to engage Singaporeans to gather feedback, but when we wrote to them, there wasn't any reply. To further illustrate my point, I even did a sample recording of the noise using a normal handphone. I hereby re-attach the recording, for your reference.
 
NEA: jumain_suaip@nea.gov.sg. The NEA personnel that wrote to me on 19th Sep 2008. No response.
Minister for the Environment and Water Resources :yaacob_ibrahim@mewr.gov.sg If this is not noise pollution, I don't know what is. No response.
Minister for Education: ng_eng_hen@moe.gov.sg, Since the site is building a Primary School. No response.
Punggol MP: penny_low@prpg-grc.sg. Email bounced because the mailbox was full. Thinking that since it was a weekend, I wrote in again on 3rd Nov 2008, but the email bounced again, obviously the mailbox is not being monitored!
 
I have the following questions:
 
1) Is it necessary to have so many schools in Punggol? If I'm not wrong, there are already about 2 primary schools and 2 secondary schools within walking distance. If only we have more of other facilities like shopping centre, parks or covered walkways from LRT stations and bus-stops.
 
2) Is it necessary to build a school so near to HDB flats? It is barely 10m away from our flats. Even if it is necessary, is it really so urgent that they must start work so early in the morning (Before 8am) and work till so late (After 11pm). And even work on weekends and public holidays? Even if they don't need rest, I hope I can enjoy my weekend and holiday without all the noise and fumes.
 
3) I'm not sure how noisy is 55dBA and there is no way I can find out unless I have a sound detection device. If something wakes you up or makes you frustrated day in, day out, does it matter whether it is 55dBA or 550dBA?
 
4) What is the point of having ministers publishing email addresses on the web, but when we write in, we won't get any response? It is more frustrating then not being able to find their email address!
 
Thanks for reading and may your day be peaceful.
 
From a frustrated resident of Edgedale Green,
Francis Tay
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« Reply #106 on: December 29, 2008, 10:49:47 PM »

Wow Prime Minister & Ministers.   Can let me know where u send to?  I would like to try sending for Aircrafts’ noises.    In fact, I have sent to Town Councils & they forward to MINDEF.  I have also sent another 2 mails to MINDEF to raise the issues.  Yet, nothing has really improved. 
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« Reply #107 on: December 30, 2008, 12:58:56 PM »

this was a similar problem that was brought up when greendale primary school was being constructed...
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« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2008, 04:24:26 PM »

If still no response from anyone of them, i think u can forward your this letter to the press & ask them to report abt it. I am sure all of them will response to u.
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« Reply #109 on: December 30, 2008, 04:51:38 PM »

Hmmm... I guess another authority we can complain to is to MOM...

Last nite, the work still continue even at 1.30am... the construction lights are still on and I can still see workers walking & working... (Of coz its really light works coz cant hear a single sound...)

Can the workers work for sooo long?... 7.30am-1.30am... Isnt it against the employement act?... N of coz the following morning, at 7.30am, the workers start work again... Of coz i am not too sure if they are the same group, but they are working far too long hours... Really pity them sometime...  Embarrassed
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« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2008, 09:07:32 AM »

Written to the following ministers:

PM Lee Hsien Loong: lee_hsien_loong@pmo.gov.sg
Deputy PM Jayakumar: jayakumar_s@mfa.gov.sg
Deputy PM Wong Kan Seng: wong_kan_seng@mha.gov.sg
Minister of Environment Yaacob Ibrahim : yaacob_ibrahim@mewr.gov.sg
MP for Punggol, Penny Low: penny_low@prpg-grc.sg

Written to newspaper multiple times, I think they only go for juicy stories, wouldn't bother too much about such complains. Furthermore, we also never see much VOICES from the recent Raymond Lim transport fee blooper.

No replies, no news, as usual, sink to the sea Smiley

Our multi million dollar ministers are too busy with commoners like us. Anyway, they don't live in HDB, and even when they come for visits, all such eye-sore, ear-sore, nose-sore pollutions will be removed.
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« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2008, 09:16:17 AM »

HEH, guess there are lapdogs everywhere. Trying to help the residents @ Edgedale Green also kenna complain. Sigh. Wondering which idiot give me a -1 popularity Tongue
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« Reply #112 on: December 31, 2008, 11:59:41 AM »

HEH, guess there are lapdogs everywhere. Trying to help the residents @ Edgedale Green also kenna complain. Sigh. Wondering which idiot give me a -1 popularity Tongue

The lapdogs you refer here is that idiot who gave you a -1 popularity?, the Govt, Or all the rest of the resident who didnt complain together with you?!!...
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« Reply #113 on: January 03, 2009, 12:50:27 PM »

HEH, guess there are lapdogs everywhere. Trying to help the residents @ Edgedale Green also kenna complain. Sigh. Wondering which idiot give me a -1 popularity Tongue

Haha, tink the rating system quite new, some members may jus accidently click onto it, no worries, i already up yr applause! Cheers and pls keep contributing!!! 
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« Reply #114 on: January 03, 2009, 01:27:50 PM »

Sigh, no news, no nothing Tongue

Think they must be cracking their head how to answer to Singaporean about the recession and how to do up the budget without having to cut their pay Tongue
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« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2009, 09:04:08 AM »

We refer to your feedback dated 29 Dec 2008, which was forwarded to NEA by the Peoples Association, on the above matter.

2        We are sorry to learn of your unpleasant experiences on noise from the construction activities and that you were to reach us to feedback on the loud noise that has annoyed you especially on Christmas Day.

3        You will recall that we have informed you earlier that the National Environment Agency (NEA) controls construction noise using a tiered set of maximum permissible noise limits stipulated under the Environmental Protection and Management (Control of Noise at Construction Sites) Regulations.  We had also informed you that the contractor responsible for the project at the worksite concerned has set up a noise monitoring equipment at the site close to HDB block 632 B Punggol Drive, to measure the noise level generated from the construction works on a continuous basis.   

4        Since  we received your last feedback on 8 Sep 2008 through Pasir Ris-Punggol Town Council on noisy work at the site, we had monitored the situation at the site closely and had also carried out surprise inspections on the site at night and on Sundays, but we observed that the noise levels generated by the contractor did not exceed the permissible noise limits stipulated in the above Regulations. Our checks of the noise monitoring charts for the construction site also showed that the noise level was within the permissible noise limits. Notwithstanding the action, we had also  reminded the contractor to take further measures to minimise noise nuisance to neighbouring  residents, especially at night and on Sundays and Public Holidays.

5        We would like to meet you, at your convenience place to you, to discuss on what the action that the contractor can further minimise the nuisance affecting you and other neighbouring residents.
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« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2009, 09:08:17 AM »

Sometimes really wonders. Is it my hearing really so good. Or am I too sensitive.

NEA says so far so good leh, nothing wrong with the site, the noise is within the limit. Its just that I'm not PIG enough to sleep properly and my hearing is not sharp enough to watch TV.

I remember last time watch TV I only on volume 18 (Max 20) and can hear clearly. Now when they doing construction, I must tune up to volume 30 and still can't hear properly, especially the news...

ANYWAY which residents from the construction facing side is interested to meet those NEA offiers? Maybe I can make an arrangement with them and we meet them together. Else it's just nuisance me against them.
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« Reply #117 on: January 13, 2009, 09:23:32 AM »

Sometimes really wonders. Is it my hearing really so good. Or am I too sensitive.

NEA says so far so good leh, nothing wrong with the site, the noise is within the limit. Its just that I'm not PIG enough to sleep properly and my hearing is not sharp enough to watch TV.

I remember last time watch TV I only on volume 18 (Max 20) and can hear clearly. Now when they doing construction, I must tune up to volume 30 and still can't hear properly, especially the news...

ANYWAY which residents from the construction facing side is interested to meet those NEA offiers? Maybe I can make an arrangement with them and we meet them together. Else it's just nuisance me against them.

different people have different level of sensitivity and my guess is you may be a little sensitive to noise (or hyperacusis). as a result, nea's guidelines will be inadequate to you. and quite frankly, if monitoring of noise level is in place by nea and data shows that it's within limits, we just have to live with it till the school is completed.

however, if work persists till pass 11pm (especially on sundays and public holidays), i guess you can do a recording of that with date/time imprints and produce that as evidences.
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« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2009, 01:19:06 PM »

the noise situation has kinda improved a bit don't you think?

thanks francis! Smiley
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« Reply #119 on: April 09, 2009, 10:44:49 AM »

according to update from SLA map, the new school is called Horizon Primary School...
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